• Mastodon - wich server to

    From Adovka@VERT/ANETO to Mindsurfer on Wednesday, January 14, 2026 16:33:28
    Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: Mindsurfer to All on Mon Dec 29 2025 01:36 pm

    Am i right, that each server can have its own set of rules and that you could be canceled by your server admin if they think you promote what they understand as hatespeech etc?

    Since Mastadon is a "federation" basically whats happening is that every server has their own rules, and the funny thing, if server you decide to join is "pro-freespeech" then other servers can just block trafic from and to it.

    A ton of bullshit if you ask me, and one helluva waste time and effort. Creators of mastadon actually looked at Twitter, saw a burning dumpster and decided "yeah we are going to copy every aspect of this". Same for blusky.

    I have a feeling those felas have like zero clue, they keey creating tumbler No2, No3, No4, How many Tumblers can we have? when will it stop.

    I am quite happy how Twitter/X has changed for the better

    Amazingly Twitter is actually somewhat tolerable place now, atleast shit thats happening in it now doesnt fly war enough to reach other plaforms.
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  • From Mindsurfer@VERT/FUNTOPIA to Adovka on Thursday, January 15, 2026 01:13:00
    Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: Adovka to Mindsurfer on Wed Jan 14 2026 16:33:28

    Since Mastadon is a "federation" basically whats happening is that every server has their own rules, and the funny thing, if server you decide to join is "pro-freespeech" then other servers can just block trafic from and to it.

    A ton of bullshit if you ask me, and one helluva waste time and effort. Creators of mastadon actually looked at Twitter, saw a burning dumpster and decided "yeah we are going to copy every aspect of this". Same for blusky.

    I have a feeling those felas have like zero clue, they keey creating tumbler No2, No3, No4, How many Tumblers can we have? when will it stop.

    Well, a network of islands and each island with its own rules. That seems to be mastodon.

    I like X so far. It is the most "free" platform as far as the local laws allow. But sure, things could change and it is completely centralised.

    What i have as a backup would be nostr (using amethyst as a client). Not sure how far censorship resistance goes there. I think on the relay level, there could be a similar level of censorship. But you can't be really banned, as you could connect to an infinite number of relays with your client. Each existing relay would have to filter your messages to censor you globally.

    Usually the network with the most users "wins".

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Adovka on Wednesday, January 14, 2026 19:15:56
    Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: Adovka to Mindsurfer on Wed Jan 14 2026 04:33 pm


    Since Mastadon is a "federation" basically whats happening is that
    every server has their own rules, and the funny thing, if server
    you decide to join is "pro-freespeech" then other servers can just
    block trafic from and to it.

    A ton of bullshit if you ask me, and one helluva waste time and
    effort. Creators of mastadon actually looked at Twitter, saw a
    burning dumpster and decided "yeah we are going to copy every aspect
    of this". Same for blusky.


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  • From Adovka@VERT/ANETO to Mindsurfer on Thursday, January 15, 2026 07:07:49
    Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: Mindsurfer to Adovka on Thu Jan 15 2026 01:13 am

    I like X so far. It is the most "free" platform as far as the local laws allow. But sure, things could change and it is completely centralised.

    True, so much censorship happens nowadays that i start to look at stuff like i2p cuz soon i might have to use that, otherwise "8 years in jail for R-slur" or smth like that might happen.

    Twitter under Elon is holding its place as a rather free-speech platform, not your common *Chan but still pretty good.

    so after the liberals and bots left twitter they created a new echo chamber.

    Yes, basically. I empathize with "Tumblr-Folk" a little more than any sane person should do, cuz they create good artworks from time to time, but after 2018 they become rather Tumblr-Gypsies, getting themself into every platform and forcing everyone to fit their "moral high-ground". It was good when they were contained on Tumblr, it was not good when they moved to Twitter, that was, if i remember correctly, typical milenial platform like instagramm before Tumbler-Gypsies came, and now since Twitter is now unsatisfactory place for the worst of that folk, they start to move to other platforms yet again.

    In a good universe, those people would be still contained in Tumblr, doing what they want without annoying others.

    or mayhaps its imature for me to think in that logic.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Adovka on Thursday, January 15, 2026 08:15:44
    Adovka wrote to Mindsurfer <=-

    Am i right, that each server can have its own set of rules and that you could be canceled by your server admin if they think you promote what they understand as hatespeech etc?

    Since Mastadon is a "federation" basically whats happening is that
    every server has their own rules, and the funny thing, if server you decide to join is "pro-freespeech" then other servers can just block trafic from and to it.

    True, but you can also find a local server that serves an interest and
    find local people to talk and share with.

    I'm on tilde.zone, a mastodon server that caters to tilde users (tildes
    are single-box online communities that offer some combination of shell
    access, email, news, local BBSes, html, gopher and gemini space, and
    more...)





    A ton of bullshit if you ask me, and one helluva waste time and effort. Creators of mastadon actually looked at Twitter, saw a burning dumpster and decided "yeah we are going to copy every aspect of this". Same for blusky.

    I have a feeling those felas have like zero clue, they keey creating tumbler No2, No3, No4, How many Tumblers can we have? when will it
    stop.

    I am quite happy how Twitter/X has changed for the better

    Amazingly Twitter is actually somewhat tolerable place now, atleast
    shit thats happening in it now doesnt fly war enough to reach other plaforms. ---
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Adovka on Thursday, January 15, 2026 08:15:44
    Adovka wrote to Mindsurfer <=-

    Twitter under Elon is holding its place as a rather free-speech
    platform, not your common *Chan but still pretty good.

    How does anyone know how the algorithm is bending perception of
    people's posts?

    I want a social network that shows a chronological list of posts from
    people I choose to follow. Is that so hard?




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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, January 15, 2026 18:44:52
    Re: Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Adovka on Thu Jan 15 2026 08:15 am

    of people's posts?

    I want a social network that shows a chronological list of posts
    from people I choose to follow. Is that so hard?

    people don't find that fun and they dont get to see new things.
    people dont want what you want.
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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Mindsurfer on Saturday, January 17, 2026 14:15:04
    Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: Mindsurfer to Adovka on Thu Jan 15 2026 01:13 am

    Well, a network of islands and each island with its own rules. That seems to be mastodon.

    Likes BBSes! :-)
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  • From Mindsurfer@VERT/FUNTOPIA to Digital Man on Sunday, January 18, 2026 02:17:00
    Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: Digital Man to Mindsurfer on Sat Jan 17 2026 14:15:04

    Well, a network of islands and each island with its own rules. That seems
    to be mastodon.

    Likes BBSes! :-)

    i knew it sounds familar =)

    Mindsurfer

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  • From Ogg@VERT/CAPCITY2 to Digital Man on Sunday, January 18, 2026 16:05:00
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    ** On Saturday 17.01.26 - 14:15, you wrote to Mindsurfer:

    Well, a network of islands and each island with its own rules. That seems
    to be mastodon.

    Likes BBSes! :-)

    But.. echomail/message networks can unify.


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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to Adovka on Friday, January 23, 2026 09:46:31
    Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: Adovka to Mindsurfer on Wed Jan 14 2026 04:33 pm


    Since Mastadon is a "federation" basically whats happening is that every server has their own rules, and the funny thing, if server you decide to join is "pro-freespeech" then other servers can just block trafic from and to it.

    My understanding is that the guys behind Mastodon created it because they regarded Tweeter as too permissive regarding "nazies" back then, therefore they though an alternative platform was needed.

    The Fediverse is neat as a concept but there are too many morons running it.

    It is intended to work as a federation, like you described, but the software guys behind it really, really want their political opponents out of the race, so there is a lot of preasure in the software stack itself in order to root uncensored servers out. This is the reason why you see so many Mastodont clients include hardcoded lists of servers they are not programmed to interact with, for example.

    Such a shame, but certainly not unexpected.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Arelor on Saturday, January 24, 2026 05:03:16
    Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: Arelor to Adovka on Fri Jan 23 2026 09:46 am

    Since Mastadon is a "federation" basically whats happening is that
    every server has their own rules, and the funny thing, if server
    you decide to join is "pro-freespeech" then other servers can just
    block trafic from and to it.

    My understanding is that the guys behind Mastodon created it because
    they regarded Tweeter as too permissive regarding "nazies" back
    then, therefore they though an alternative platform was needed.


    well i tried to get on a dude's mastadon today and it wouldnt work
    i got on the .social site. created an acct. then go ton the dude's site.

    i'm not logged in apparently that way. so i click sign up. then i'm at mastadon.social again. so what am i doing wrong?
    seems retarded anyways. just use twitter.
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Saturday, January 24, 2026 09:59:21
    Arelor wrote to Adovka <=-

    It is intended to work as a federation, like you described, but the software guys behind it really, really want their political opponents
    out of the race, so there is a lot of preasure in the software stack itself in order to root uncensored servers out. This is the reason why
    you see so many Mastodont clients include hardcoded lists of servers
    they are not programmed to interact with, for example.

    I've *never* seen a Mastodon client that had a hardcoded list. I'bve
    played with several under Android, and there's a field to specify the
    user name with server name in there, not a pull-down or otherwise
    limited list.

    How does the software root uncensored servers out, exactly?




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  • From Khronos@VERT/CWSHACK to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, January 24, 2026 14:18:22
    I have thought about running a Mastodon server myself, but it seems the
    system you need to run one of those things needs to be more than I'd
    like to pay for.
    Also everything I've seen filtering happens server side as to what posts
    to show / communicate with.


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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, January 24, 2026 13:17:09
    Re: Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sat Jan 24 2026 09:59 am

    How does the software root uncensored servers out, exactly?

    I'm not a professional developer or anything, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say:

    if (defined_server == "server.i.dont.like") then {
    defined_server = "";
    }

    Or something like that :)

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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, January 24, 2026 14:01:27
    Re: Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Sat Jan 24 2026 09:59 am


    I've *never* seen a Mastodon client that had a hardcoded list. I'bve
    played with several under Android, and there's a field to specify the
    user name with server name in there, not a pull-down or otherwise
    limited list.


    There was certainly a lot of drama with the F-Droid team because they were debating wether clients with hardcoded blacklists were acceptable, and it was triggered by the submission of a particular client.

    That is how the software can censor instances. The clients ship with a list of domains that are not allowed so when you try to join any server on the list you get a warning or you are prevented from joining through that client.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to phigan on Sunday, January 25, 2026 10:40:48
    phigan wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    How does the software root uncensored servers out, exactly?

    I'm not a professional developer or anything, but I'm going to go out
    on a limb and say:

    if (defined_server == "server.i.dont.like") then {
    defined_server = "";
    }

    Or something like that :)

    True, but if that's in the code the network uses, someone would surely
    notice that. If you're thinking of a local kill file, people certainly
    have the right to self-censor.



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Arelor on Sunday, January 25, 2026 10:40:48
    Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    That is how the software can censor instances. The clients ship with a list of domains that are not allowed so when you try to join any server
    on the list you get a warning or you are prevented from joining through that client.

    The clients, yes. The server software, not likely. Maybe we're speaking
    across purposes, I thought you were talking originally about server
    software limiting instances. It's certainly possible to create a
    mastodon client hard-coded to certain instances (or to pretend to be a
    standalone network and hardcode to one instance) but it's equally as
    easy to find another client that doesn't manipulate the federated
    nature of the fediverse.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, January 31, 2026 13:41:49
    Re: Re: Mastodon - wich server to
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to phigan on Sun Jan 25 2026 10:40 am

    Or something like that :)

    True, but if that's in the code the network uses, someone would surely notice that. If you're thinking of a local kill file, people certainly
    have the right to self-censor.

    They are not hiding they are doing it, they are quite open about it. Again they are open enough that they brough the subject up at places such as F-Droid.


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